MI and the Māori Culture

Ep 58 – MI and the Māori Culture

MI and the Māori Culture

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Tipene Pickett on to discuss the Māori Culture from New Zealand and its relationship in the practice and teaching of Motivational inetrveiwng. Here is his bio:

Nga Ngaru a Te Huki te Maunga – The waves of Te Huki is my MountainMāori Culture

Waihua te Awa – Waihua is my River 

Kahungunu te Iwi – Kahungunu is my tribe

Kurahikakawa te Hapu – Kurahikakawa is my Sub-tribe

Waihua te Marae – Waihua is my Marae

Ko Tipene Pickett toku ingoa – Tipene Pickett is my name

Post Grad Cert Health Sciences, BA psych & Anthro., Member of Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2013.

I have been an alcohol and drug since 1998 in a number of Governmental, NGO and Kaupapa Māori settings.  A practitioner of Motivational Interviewing (MI) for the past 20 years and an MI trainer of trainers since 2013.  

I’m currently self employed since 2019 and employed as a trainer for several Government District Health Boards as well as Non Government Organisations as a trainer for upskilling people in a variety of roles and across a number of disciplines including – Clinical Psychologists, Psychiatrists, Social Workers, Alcohol and Drug Clinicians. Peer Support Workers as well as Cultural Consultants.  This also includes strategic planning and implementation to embed MI into the infrastructure of organizations in order to achieve a sustainable culture of ongoing evaluation and upskilling to maintain MI practitioners proficiency.

I provide a wide spectrum of MI training including  MI with groups, coaching as well as training in the use of the Motivational Interviewing Treatment Integrity (MITI) & Video Assessment of Simulated Encounters (VASE-R NZ).  

My special interest is in the relationship between MI and indigenous knowledge and wisdom.  To that end I’ve had the privilege of developing a framework for framing the journey of MI within the context of the Maori language (Te Reo) and practices (Tikanga) as well as contemporary Maori models of health as well as use of traditional Pūrakau (narratives of origin) of enhancing wellbeing.

As a member of the Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers means I’m part of a global community of people who share a similar vision of change and scrutiny of professional practice in order to be the most effective clinicians we can be by embracing the way of being MI offers

He manu e kai ana i te miro, nōnā to ngahere. He manu e kai ana i te matauranga, nōnā to ao.

A bird who feeds of the miro berry, theirs is the forest.  A bird who feeds on knowledge, theirs is the world.


   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   04:48 – Tipene’s introduction, early MI story, and his discovery of his own culture

   14:45 – The experience of confrontation and learning about what’s more helpful 

   19:00 – Discovering what’s within you and who you are

   26:30 – Engagement, self-disclosure, and narratives of origin

   48:30 – Confidence rulers

1:01:30 – How might language change our physiology? 

1:07:55 – End of episode

Glossary of Māori terms used in this episode:

Pepeha a description of tribal identity that includes: 

  • Maunga – mountain
  • Awa – river
  • Hapuu – kinship group with common ancesto
  • Iwi – collection of hapuu with common ancestral canoe
  • Ka maa te ariki, ka maa te tauira – as we have chiefs, we are students
  • Mauri – Life principle and individual uniqueness
  • Mana – One’s sphere of influence and personal power
  • Tapu – 1./ origins of universe inscribed within you.  2./ state of constriction
  • Karakia – command to influence elemental energies toward a specific purpose i.e.creating safety, increasing energy of objectivity and openness and so on
  • Mihimihi – process of acknowledgements on one’s mana, tapu, connections to others, environment and purpose
  • Whaanaungatanga – process of establishing connections be sharing one’s pepeha, potentially creating ancestral connections as well as locating someone in a certain area of NZ.  Create sense of belonging.
  • Whaanaunga – extended relation
  • Waiata – song
  • Kia tau te rangimarie – be settled with the vibration of peace
  • Puurakau – narrative of origin (literally the ‘universal origins in the sound of the story of the tree’)
  • Tikanga – a right way of doing things. 7 protected knowledge 
  • Whakapapa – Ancestral connections tracing their origins to the earth mother

Links and contact information:

Email: tipenepickett007@gmail.com 

For suggestions, questions and to enquire about training in Motivational Interviewing contact Glenn & Sebastian

Email: podcast@glennhinds.com


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