Motivational Interviewing & Discord

Ep 57 – Motivational Interviewing & Discord

Motivational Interviewing & Discord

Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Stephen R. Andrew LCSW, LADC, CCS to the podcast to discuss discord and many other topics. Motivational Interviewing & DiscordStephen is a storyteller, trainer, therapist, author and the  CEO (Chief Energizing Officer) of Health Education & Training Institute. ( He maintains a compassion-focused private practice in Portland, Maine USA where he also facilitates a variety of men’s, women’s, co-ed, and caregiver groups. Stephen has had significant experience working with people suffering with addiction, mental illness and training staff within the Department of Mental Health.

He is the co-founder of  Agape, Inc. which supports the Men’s Resource Center of Southern Maine whose mission is to support boys, men and fathers and oppose violence and Dignity for People Using Opiates, a radical movement to change the conditions precipitating the opiate epidemic in our communities.  

Stephen has been a member of the International Motivational Interviewing Network of Trainers (MINT) since 2003 and became a Certified MINT Trainer in 2019. He has been a MIA-STEP trainer (Motivational Interviewing Assessment; Supervisor Training Program) for the New England ATTC since 2007. Stephen provides coaching and training domestically and internationally (Singapore, Iceland, China, Canada, Holland, Sweden, Poland, Turkey & UK) for social service agencies, health-care providers, substance abuse counselors, recovery coach specialists, criminal justice, vocational rehabilitation, and other groups on motivational interviewing, addiction, co-occurring disorders, counseling theory, “challenging” adolescents, supervision and ethics for care professionals, men’s work and the power of group work, as well as supervising a coding/coaching laboratory and simulation lab and training for Motivational Interviewing.  

Stephen is the proud father of Sebastian, and co-author of  Game Plan: A Man’s Guide to Achieving Emotional Fitness.

   00:00 – Introduction and episode preview

   06:10 – Stephen’s introduction and early MI story

   08:10 – Distinction between client-centeredness and MI

   10:37 – The “trauma whisperer,” “gentle guesses,” “the whisperer of hopes and  dreams,” and core needs

   16:50 – Discord between the head and the heart

   25:45 – Developing empathy and compassion

   30:40 – Shame 

   35:20 – Creating learning communities

   44:00 – On the horizon – A podcast, a new book, and a new organization called  “Dignity”

   48:40 – Start of real play between Glenn and Stephen

   59:25 – Real play debrief

1:13:42 – End of episode

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